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Written by joomstuffs , on 18-03-2008 00:07 gtaylor, i agree. Virtuemart could be designed in a much more structured way. A ..DECENT shop component in joomla would go a long way... but Virtuemart isnt it. I have used, and my customers use Joomla with Virtuemart and there are only a few situations to where it is justly suited... and dont try to intercept any of the output from Virtuemart, god forbid you use data in another section.     Joomla was not build as a portal system, read any good joomla book and it will tell you so. This, in my mind (along with the 26 or so mysql queries it takes just to load the front page) disqualifies Joomla from being any kind of serious user managed solution. sure its easy to install... then what? My customers have customers too, JACL and the rest do NOT apply the correct security principles to lock down...    .remote access details  .salary stuffs  .system documentation  .files, router configs etc.    I mean even PHPBB has scalable user groups, surely it is fundemental to any decent web app. This in particular is appauling.     2 level access? it took me about 3 seconds to run out of level access, and at other times it was just way to complex to convince a client that it was a better way of doing things. Most new people e.g. directors, reps, etc are just confused at why joomla is determined to do everything in reverse. Joomla is not at all looking like being scalable in this sense either.. oO its not as broad as we've all been telling ourselves. Ino ino, maybe its not the right product i hear you say... no, its not the right product, but they said it was.    As far as i can see the only use for Joomla is public content, nothing fancy, just a big ads site.    And Jason, before you launch your expected rebuke, I am a Joomla developer and I am working on a component to control all of the things that I have just mentioned, for a corperate business, in a good team. We also are writing heaps of more scalable components, unfortunately not like Virtuemart yet.  Why? because Joomla doesn't do the foundations of what most people want from a website. If I could have bought, or even had writen the functionality that Joomla simply needs to be viable then I would have, but no, I was left with nothing other than to write it myself.     gg gtaylor, gg. We need more sensible and observant people like you in design.